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Give me your advice here. Tell me what would you do.

I have been back in CA for almost two years now. When we came, we got our kids into the Catholic school at the parish we had been at before we left for ATL (we had been at that parish for about a year). There was something odd when we got back – the parish had changed. There is a couple who are “running” the parish with some of their “group.” The man in this couple drives me up a wall. He is rude, arrogant, controlling, and (IMHO) disrespectful on the altar (not a good thing for the head of the Eucharistic Ministers and RCIA). He also seems to be able to control the pastor (what this guy says, Father goes along with). It is the least welcoming parish I have ever been in. I still feel an outsider and I am a lector, work bingo, was just put on the School board, and attend weekday Mass there. Lynn teaches music part-time at the school and is involved in the music ministry.

Lynn and I both grew up in strong community parishes. Part of the strength came from the integration with the school and the parish. I am a STRONG supporter of Catholic school. I want God talked about in my kids’ school. I want them to go to Mass with the school. I want school prayer. I want their faith taught and to permeate activities throughout their day. I also highly value the additional opportunity to build community that a school tied to a parish provides.

Recently the pastor has done several things that look like he is against at least this Catholic school. There are no parents on the parish council. He has disallowed school fundraisers. For example he won’t allow the school to sell tickets to an upcoming fundraiser after Mass (even though Religious Ed does for their golf tourney, and the Boy Scouts sell tickets to their breakfast, or the Filipino Association sells tickets to their events). He also canceled a hugely successful after-school Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (raised $20,000) because it ended at 7PM and the head of RCIA (mentioned above) complained that he couldn’t park (his event was at 7PM) – actually he yelled at school members who were organizing it while it was going on. Instead of coming to a Christian compromise (like next year end at 6:30), Father forbid the event if Religious Ed had any activities at any time on a given day (they reserve time everyday, even when they don’t use it – Catch 22). Oh, there are lots of other examples as well, but this gives the flavor.

This has frustrated me to no end, and I have been praying for patience and restraint. Several people have told me that Father would not mind at all if the school closed. I am not sure what to do. This is counter to one of my core values in raising my children and is directly counter to my desire to build community (oh my, is this one in shambles).

What should I do?

When I moved back to So Cal, we got the kids into school first, and then tried to get a home in the parish. We were close, but our home is actually located in another parish. That parish has a strong school that feels a part of the parish AND they have far more respectful Masses. There are other minor pluses as well.

My wife and I went to Mass there today, and the sense of community, the welcoming faces, and the more respectful liturgy all left us (me, Lynn and the kids) with a good feeling.

But we have invested time at the other parish (often with frustration – at least on my part since Lynn is more patient than I am). My wife is a part-time music teacher, and I have been asked on the school board. Do I stay in frustration in what may be a lost cause if the school closes in a couple years? Do I uproot the kids and move to a place where we can build the community we so want, and where our values are more in sync? How do I approach my priest to talk about this? Do I talk to him about it at all?

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11 Responses to “Advice wanted”

The Ironic Catholic, Said:

What does your wife want?

And kids?

It sure sounds like you want to jump ship, and for some valid reasons.

If they more or less agree, I’d do it. It’s important to stick with community and work through differences, but you make it sounds intractable. Best wishes.

Amber, Said:

This one is easy for me… I’m converting and I’ve had to leave EVERYTHING… to go where God wants me to go and to GROW… I know the fear in uprooting children but at the same time, we must trust the Lord… and your children may end up thanking you for the refreshing change.

Is it healthy for your family’s spiritual growth to attend the parish you’ve invested your time in?

Often change, though we dislike it, brings about exactly what we need for growth in many areas of our lives.

Your family (especially your kids) will be much happier in a place where the community is strong and friendly.

Why prolong the frustration and misery?

I would continue to pray for the church, but I would definitely find a new place to call home.

RobK, Said:

Thanks IC & Amber,
The perspectives are very helpful. My wife is in the same boat, and the kids are open to the change. The hardest part is that I have connected with two people there, and since my wife is teacher - she has connected with a lot of the kids and parents. But this is throught the school, not the parish.

If we change, the transition will take months as the kids need to finish the school year.

We are going to pray. I am still not sure about talking to my priest.

Any other advice is definitely welcome (Jerry, thanks for the email).
Thanks!
Rob

ukok, Said:

Oh dear, it does sound like you’re in a bit of a quandry. It’s that old dilemma about working on the problem from the inside or moving on and either forgetting about it or hoping sokmeone else will deal with it.

Could you write to the Dean about the problems you are experiencing and your parish priests bias?

I think I’d have to try to do something about it before I looked to worship elsewhere.

The parish priest is the pastor of the entire flock, not just his best buddy in the congregation. Some priests are better at ‘pastoring’ than others, but that doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t ever be corrected.

I would ask for a personal meeting with the priest. Express your concerns and ask what he is going to do about your concerns, if nothing comes of it, start climbing the rungs of the Clergy ladder until someone listens to you. You can’t be the only one that this situation is upsetting or affecting.

Praying for your situation.

Adoro Te Devote, Said:

OK, a couple thoughts.

My first instinct would be to “jump ship” (thanks ironic catholic, great term), and make sure the priest knew why…copy a letter to the bishop. It seems that this is a situation that should not remain at that parish and SOMEONE needs to be made aware of it. You likely aren’t the only person to feel this way about the parish.

Next…well, I’d recommend reading, if you haven’t already, a book by Fr. Mitch Pacwa called, “Father Forgive me for I am Frustrated.”

And then finally, the advice I recieved this summer from Mother Assumpta: Do what you can do.

Maybe the best thing is to leave, but if you do so, you still have a responsibility to inform the appropriate parties as to the WHY of your decision.

And Pray. That’s the best thing. Always.

RobK, Said:

Thanks, UKOK & Adoro!
I appreciate the help (and the prayers). I am seeing a picture emerge and think I have a plan. I do like this priest - and I owe it to him to talk with him. I am going to pray on how best to bring this to him, and do so some time after our baby is born.

Adoro, thanks for the book reco. I’ll check it out.

I have also asked the advice of a priest friend of mine across the country. I am hoping he might provide insight as well.

Thanks!

Moneybags, Said:

I would definitely talk with the priest. Above all, pray about this before the Blessed Sacrament. You will be given the words you need when you need them from the Spirit on High.

RobK, Said:

Thanks for the advice MB!

I am/will continue to pray for guidance. The family is going to go through a period of discernment of what is best. I will speak when the time is right. Thanks for all of the advice!

Barb, sfo, Said:

For some reason this popped up on my bloglines now.

Go to my blog and search on the term “school” and you will see how my family went through this same thing over the past year and a half. And now–we’re “settling.” Because there’s no other choice.

I don’t know how things are going with you & your parish and school right now–but I will pray that your family has prayed your way to a decision that will bring you all closer to God and happier too.

RobK, Said:

Thanks, Barb. I suspect that with all my web remodeling an old pub or two may have gotten re-published. Thanks for the prayers. The issues have not gone but, we are staying put for now. About the time of this, I remember thinking about the Benedictine vow of stability and how that is a good thing. Besides, maybe we can have an influence. In the time since, we have really grown to appreciate the pastor and we have done some things for welcoming. So things are OK - not ideal but OK (and we really have come to like the pastor).

Not sure why God wants us here right now, but His will be done.

Again - thanks for the prayers.

Barb, sfo, Said:

You’re right–you never know what God might have in mind. I’m glad it’s beginning to turn around and you have made peace with the pastor.

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