I sometimes encounter people that are Catholic in Name Only. I am not talking about those people who claim to be “cultural Catholics” (another term for fallen away Catholics). No, I am talking about those who reject the dogma of the Church. Those who have an agenda to “change” the Church into something she is not. Something that at a basic level cannot be done - Christ set-up his Church, and while cosmetic or accidentals may change, dogma and beliefs and sacraments can’t.

I sometimes look at these protestants in Catholic clothing and wonder. They don’t believe in the real presence, want women ordained as priests (which if you don’t believe in the real presence wouldn’t matter anyways), want to exclude discussion of sin or hell or the devil, want to change the perennial teachings on abortion, divorce, homosexuality, don’t believe in the Immaculate Conception or Mary’s perpetual virginity, want to turn the Church into a democracy, and definitely would rather the pope just shut up (unless he wants to join them). They are basically liberal Episcopalians who would rather cause trouble where they are than leave.

I encountered some of this persuasion discussing recent information on the fact that 10% of Americans are ex-Catholics. They blame this on an all male priesthood, and the sex scandals (I agree with the scandals, but that is a homosexual problem rather than a male priest problem), they think doing away with the hierarchy and instituting a “wymyn” priesthood would solve the problem. They see the Church entirely as gender politics. All I could think was “what?!?!?” This is a rift that will take a long time to heal in the Church. These people cannot see that it was the hermeneutics of discontinuity, their desire for change without regard to the Truth IS THE PROBLEM. It is the confusion sown over the past 40 years, the loss of the sacred, the lack of catechesis, the derision of the Church from these “progressives.” This has been the poison in the well.

I often find myself wanting to ask these people why they are doing what they do? I understand why the devil takes glee at their rebellion, but why do they do it?

From experience, I know that asking will be fruitless - we don’t even share the same language. They want to talk about gender and sex politics, when the real issue is repentance. They talk control when we need to seek salvation. They want validation when what we need is redemption.

Speaking from my own case, I sounded more like these folks when I wanted to hold onto my sin and my view of the world. It is the sin of Adam and Eve all over again. It was my pride. God needed to conform to MY view, not me to His. I knew better than the Church. And when I looked beneath that pride, I saw sin. I wanted to hold onto my sins. I didn’t want to confess them, because of my shame. I convinced myself of the “primacy of my conscience,” and relativism took over, and I set in my own sin. In that state, I said things about the Church that I regret now (and thankfully were never recorded). It was pride, sin, and a stiff neck that was at the root of my rebellion. It is pride, sin, and a stiff neck at the root of these “Protestant” Catholics rebellion. It took me off course as it has taken them off course and so many millions of others.

So what are we to do? First remember that there is always hope. I think that we are to do what the Church always must do. Witness to Christ. Call people to repentance. Preach the Truths of our faith. Live the truth of our faith, in full loyalty and obedience to the Church. Hold firm against heresy. Finally, we need to love and pray for these people who have set themselves up as internal enemies of the faith. As hard as that is, it is what we are called to do.

In the end, we know who wins - Christ and his Church. Assured of victory, we can stop fighting each other so hard, and live clearly, faithfully, humbly, forgivingly, and lovingly as Christ taught.

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5 Responses to ““Protestant” Catholics - Why do they stay?”

Ggoose, Said:

I posted on this topic recently although mine focused less on the liberal Catholic element because around here those folks are less common here. Most liberal Catholics around here are simply poorly catechized Catholics.

From my post: My wife asked this question to a priest once … His theory was that the Eucharist is irresistible … in his words it was “there is just something they cannot put their finger on that keeps them coming”. True.

Then I thought of all the middle aged and elderly practicing Catholics that I talk to. I always hear the same thing “I regret not getting serious about my faith until I read Scott Hahn or started watching EWTN”. At one time they were irreverent, shunning their faith for every other thing the world had to offer, but in the end they decided at one point to keep coming. It hurts even more to hear them voice regret of having used birth control during their fertile years. I keep hearing, “have children while you can” ….

RobK, Said:

I saw your post and hadn’t connected them (even though the titles are the same).

There are two groups, there are those who don’t seem to want to wake up, and there are those who want a Church that validates their sin.

I think you are right about the Eucharist for many, but what about those who want to deny it. Do they secretly believe and need their unbelief validated?

Try not to judge your fellow Catholics and loose these definitions and sub divisions..

The Church is Jesus and Jesus is the Church let his children find their way to Him and put as few obstacles in their path as possible, remember Jesus said “Let the dead bury the dead, your time will come..”

By this Jesus meant that His was a church of the living to serve the living, serve them and you serve Him and let the Church serve them and seek not for them to serve the Church for as the Church serves them it serves Him which is it’s purpose to serve His Children so they can come to Him..and by serving them and their coming to Him the Church or you or I serve the Father..!

Simple as that..

RobK, Said:

It is always a bit funny when someone tells you not to judge, given the implicit judgment they make. The statement, which typically comes from those seeking to “change” or “progress”, really means “shut-up.” What they fail to understand is that the biblical prohibition on “judging” is in relation to a man’s soul, for that alone God can judge. His actions, his evaluation of “truth”, these are open to review and correction. Too often, people faithful to Christ and his Church have said nothing, allowing the false prophets to cause damage unchecked.

We are to conform ourselves, through grace, to Christ. Christ had no problem telling the Pharisees and Sadducees, in no uncertain terms, the error of their ways. And to the sinner he was compassionate - yet firm - “Repent”, “Go and sin no more.” This too is conforming to Christ, to correct those in error.

The goal of the Church is bringing people to Christ. She IS the body of Christ. She IS the Bride of Christ. Our goal in life is to know love and serve God, and for love of Him, our brother as ourselves. That is to know - so the Church teaches, and offers the Sacraments. To Love, that is why she continually offers the greatest sacrifice of the mass and teaches us to pray. And yes to serve. However, such service is to bring people closer to Christ through witness and word. THAT is the goal – bringing people closer to Christ. Sometimes (maybe often), this requires correction.

That is why my original post ends with this:
“Witness to Christ. Call people to repentance. Preach the Truths of our faith. Live the Truth of our faith, in full loyalty and obedience to the Church. Hold firm against heresy. Finally, we need to love and pray for these people who have set themselves up as internal enemies of the faith. As hard as that is, it is what we are called to do.

In the end, we know who wins - Christ and his Church. Assured of victory, we can stop fighting each other so hard, and live clearly, faithfully, humbly, forgivingly, and lovingly as Christ taught.”

Ggoose, Said:

I second your response above …

“I think you are right about the Eucharist for many, but what about those who want to deny it. Do they secretly believe and need their unbelief validated?”

The presence of God draws whether they know or not about the Eucharist. In fact, I know a woman who didn’t want to go through the hassle of RCIA, didn’t believe a word of what the Church teaches and yet found herself compelled to go to Eucharistic adoration weekly because “she felt something special in there”. She completely denied the Eucharistic doctrines but felt compelled to be in the presence of what she considered simply bread?

I know … it boggles the mind but there she is, drawn to God.

Certainly there are those wolves in sheeps clothing that are actively intending to undermine the Church. They see the Church as changeable like they have found other churches changeable. You and I both know that their efforts in the end are futile because Christ made us a promise when he called Peter ROCK.

I have a happy post on a trend in vocations. I can vouch for our young diocesan priests and even the liberals have noticed (if you read the WaPo slam of the USCCB document on voting)

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