Comments on: Anti-Catholicism At University Of Minnesota http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/ "Lord Have Mercy" - Thoughts & images from a Catholic dad's perspective. Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:40:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Mike http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2463 Mike Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:24:38 +0000 http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2463 University of Minnesota President Robert Bruinink's email address is upres@umn.edu. Myers, as well as his supporters in the atheist community, are soliciting letters in support of Myers at this email address. University of Minnesota President Robert Bruinink’s email address is upres@umn.edu. Myers, as well as his supporters in the atheist community, are soliciting letters in support of Myers at this email address.

]]> By: Rufus http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2462 Rufus Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:18:22 +0000 http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2462 That's it--thanks for looking that up. The very idea of a living God at all is rejected by enough people today--who's going to convince them of the sanctity of the Body and Blood of Christ? People like this professor have been around for as long as the Eucharist has been--the Churches started locking their doors overnight since the 70s for that very reason. He has been up to no good for some time now, and seems to have finally stepped in it, so to speak. That’s it–thanks for looking that up. The very idea of a living God at all is rejected by enough people today–who’s going to convince them of the sanctity of the Body and Blood of Christ?

People like this professor have been around for as long as the Eucharist has been–the Churches started locking their doors overnight since the 70s for that very reason. He has been up to no good for some time now, and seems to have finally stepped in it, so to speak.

]]> By: RobK http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2461 RobK Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:41:14 +0000 http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2461 The verse you are talking about is John 6:63 which is in between 60 and 66 which I have above. They leave AFTER his "clarification." Starting in 61 Christ says: <i>"Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the son of man ascending where he was before? It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you that do not believe."</i> Some protestants say that spirit really means "symbolic" which is nonsense, no where does spirit mean symbolic. Christ is telling them that their myopic way of seeing the world is not big enough. He is giving them eternal life and they won't listen. There is no refuting that he says <i>"For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed." </i> I often find it funny that folks who say they believe in a literal interpretation of the bible skip this part and talk about symbolism. The Eucharist IS the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. The verse you are talking about is John 6:63 which is in between 60 and 66 which I have above. They leave AFTER his “clarification.”

Starting in 61 Christ says:
“Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the son of man ascending where he was before? It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you that do not believe.”

Some protestants say that spirit really means “symbolic” which is nonsense, no where does spirit mean symbolic.
Christ is telling them that their myopic way of seeing the world is not big enough. He is giving them eternal life and they won’t listen.

There is no refuting that he says “For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.”

I often find it funny that folks who say they believe in a literal interpretation of the bible skip this part and talk about symbolism.

The Eucharist IS the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ.

]]> By: Rufus http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2460 Rufus Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:33:33 +0000 http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2460 No Rob, I'M not agreeing with that notion at all--I'm relating what I've heard said regarding the Holy Eucharist by folks who aren't Catholic. Seriously, I can't remember which of the gospels, but when Christ told the apostles that they must eat His Body and Blood, they were a little taken back. When He realized this, he clarified that they were offended because they didn't fully understand what he meant, the explained that His Body and Blood are spirit. I just wish I had a Bible handy; if anyone has a Bible within reach, check out those two gospels. I'm almost sure the conversation's in one of them. No Rob, I’M not agreeing with that notion at all–I’m relating what I’ve heard said regarding the Holy Eucharist by folks who aren’t Catholic. Seriously, I can’t remember which of the gospels, but when Christ told the apostles that they must eat His Body and Blood, they were a little taken back. When He realized this, he clarified that they were offended because they didn’t fully understand what he meant, the explained that His Body and Blood are spirit. I just wish I had a Bible handy; if anyone has a Bible within reach, check out those two gospels. I’m almost sure the conversation’s in one of them.

]]> By: RobK http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2458 RobK Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:25:24 +0000 http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2458 Sorry Rufus, You are wrong. Read all of the accounts of the Last Supper Christ said: "This is my body." Also read John chapter 6. For example, 52-55 <i>The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" So Jesus said to them "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats of my flesh and drinks of my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed."</i> Of course your reaction, and that of many is not new For we see in verse 60: <i>Many of his disciples, wheen they heard of it said "This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?"</i> and in verse 66: <i>After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went with him.</i> This is not cannibalism we are not destroying or consuming the Lord. Cannibalism is when one individual physically eats the human flesh off of another’s body. It would have been cannibalism if a disciple two thousand years ago had tried literally to eat Jesus by sinking his teeth into his arm. Now that our Lord is in heaven with a glorified body and made present under the appearance of bread in the Eucharist, cannibalism is not possible. Catholics eat the flesh of Christ and drink his blood in a sacramental way. Sorry Rufus,
You are wrong. Read all of the accounts of the Last Supper Christ said: “This is my body.”

Also read John chapter 6.

For example, 52-55
The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats of my flesh and drinks of my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.”

Of course your reaction, and that of many is not new For we see in verse 60:
Many of his disciples, wheen they heard of it said “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”

and in verse 66:
After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went with him.

This is not cannibalism we are not destroying or consuming the Lord. Cannibalism is when one individual physically eats the human flesh off of another’s body. It would have been cannibalism if a disciple two thousand years ago had tried literally to eat Jesus by sinking his teeth into his arm. Now that our Lord is in heaven with a glorified body and made present under the appearance of bread in the Eucharist, cannibalism is not possible. Catholics eat the flesh of Christ and drink his blood in a sacramental way.

]]> By: Rufus http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2457 Rufus Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:04:11 +0000 http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2457 Part of the confusion about the Eucharist is this notion that partaking of the Body & Blood of Christ equates to some weird canabalistic ritual. Christ himself made clear that His Body & Blood are SPIRIT. Can't remember in which of the gospels He clarifies this; St John's or St Mathew's-- Part of the confusion about the Eucharist is this notion that partaking of the Body & Blood of Christ equates to some weird canabalistic ritual. Christ himself made clear that His Body & Blood are SPIRIT. Can’t remember in which of the gospels He clarifies this; St John’s or St Mathew’s–

]]> By: Kevin http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2447 Kevin Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:35:10 +0000 http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2447 Daniel... Absolutely no clarification necessary... nuff said Daniel…

Absolutely no clarification necessary… nuff said

]]> By: RobK http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2422 RobK Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:26:30 +0000 http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2422 It <u>is</u> the body of Christ - literally. During the mass the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ. The theological term is transubstantiation. It is the real presence of Christ - body, blood, soul and divinity. It is the body of Christ - literally.
During the mass the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ. The theological term is transubstantiation. It is the real presence of Christ - body, blood, soul and divinity.

]]> By: Daniel http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2421 Daniel Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:56:06 +0000 http://kaiserfam.com/kyrieeleison/2008/07/12/anti-catholicism-at-university-of-minnesota/#comment-2421 Reading various reports, it seems people think the Eucharist means the literal body of Christ. Your refer to the real presence of Christ. It is an issue that needs public clarification. You are right that avowed secularists do not care about the importance of Christian faith. There's is the only truth. Maybe that is the reason why the book of Revelation speaks of a time when people would rather die than repent of their moral crimes for which Jesus paid. Reading various reports, it seems people think the Eucharist means the literal body of Christ. Your refer to the real presence of Christ. It is an issue that needs public clarification.

You are right that avowed secularists do not care about the importance of Christian faith. There’s is the only truth. Maybe that is the reason why the book of Revelation speaks of a time when people would rather die than repent of their moral crimes for which Jesus paid.

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